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Broadwell -v- Skylake.. The conundrum

Post #1 by huddy » Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:40 am

As some of you may have read, Broadwell is due for release anytime soon. Although the manufacturing process has been reduced to 14nm Intel continues its commitment towards integrated graphics. This is evident that 2/3 of the chips is taken by the graphics core alone. Broadwell was due for release last year but fabricating problems have delayed it's release until now. Oddly, it successor, Skylake is still due to be released later in the year and this remains in intels plans. Very odd.

Now from what I read, the Broadwell desktop chips will come with unlocked multipliers (k version) supporting both DDR3 and DDR4 variants (not on same board) but sticks with its 16 lane PCIe bus. Broadwell will drop straight in to existing 9x platforms with a BIOS update. Skylake is an updated version which supports DDR4 natively and comes with 20 PCIe lanes. You will need a new motherboard. If you are have dual slot GPUs, you can dedicate 2 x 8 lanes to them leaving 4 lanes for anything else you might have, such as the new PCIe SSD cards. However, the sting is that these won't be shipped with unlocked multipliers. :?

Personally, depending on the performance, my money's on upgrading my IB to broadwell. I'm not interested in dual card setup or DDR4 but i am interested in some moderate overclocking. With the recent chips so leaning towards it's integrated graphics rather than it's IPC, it's coming to a stage that the benefit of upgrading desktop chips just simply isn't worth it.

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Re: Broadwell -v- Skylake.. The conundrum

Post #2 by setter » Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:58 am

Personally I cant see broadwell being a massive difference over existing dc chips such as the 4790k. But its rumoured that it will be soldered so will run much cooler. Myself, (finances permitting) will be looking at skylake. If it doesn't impress ill probably go X99. Expensive to start with but a great platform for lifespan, X58 being a good example.
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Post #3 by huddy » Mon Mar 09, 2015 12:21 pm

Even tough it's a locked chip?

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Post #4 by Frenzic » Mon Mar 09, 2015 1:15 pm

I would wait and see but it's strange that skylake is locked, i did read about skylake-s etc. Id probably stick with ivy untill cannonlake. While waiting for cannonlake, you can then see what pans out with broadwell and skylake, cannonlake is same sort of time next year is it? :)
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Post #5 by setter » Mon Mar 09, 2015 1:34 pm

Is unlocked skylake k series not later this year? I've seen the roadmap posted on ocuk, but cant link in my phone as it takes forever.
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Post #6 by huddy » Mon Mar 09, 2015 1:46 pm

As far as I've read.. and I've not checked on ocuk, there are no plans for a Skylake k series.. but could be wrong.. It would make sense else Broadwell will otherwise be a flop before it's even launched.

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Post #7 by Frenzic » Mon Mar 09, 2015 1:50 pm

Skylake-k 3rd quarter of this year or maybe 1st quarter of 2016.
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Post #8 by Myk SilentShadow » Wed Mar 11, 2015 3:46 pm

//Rant

Personally I find it highly amusing that with each generation that comes along, Intel keeps cramming more and more into these tiny little rectangles while reducing the nm fab process. Customers demand more and more in each successive generation and of course, as always, when the OC ability of each new gen comes out, they whinge and moan about how they can't clock their CPU's as good as the last gen. And how far is it they can actually push the CPU's before they can go no further? 10nm, 7nm?

So much is crammed in their CPU's as they reduce everything, heat output goes up, so clocks get slower as would naturally need be the case. I know customers are driving everything smaller, but there has to come a time where Intel says "Enough is enough, we really need to make these CPU's on a bigger platform base" and honestly I think it's past due that they do...at least a bigger surface IHS area will give better heat dissipation, no?


When mobile/cell phones came out, they were massive. Customer demand pushed them smaller and smaller and then smart phones came out and BOOM!!! customer demand pushed them to bigger sizes, pretty close to how phones were when they first came out to begin with.....it's high time CPU mfrs followed suit for better performance and cooling capability OOTB.


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Post #9 by Frenzic » Wed Mar 11, 2015 5:05 pm

Myk SilentShadow wrote://Rant

Personally I find it highly amusing that with each generation that comes along, Intel keeps cramming more and more into these tiny little rectangles while reducing the nm fab process. Customers demand more and more in each successive generation and of course, as always, when the OC ability of each new gen comes out, they whinge and moan about how they can't clock their CPU's as good as the last gen. And how far is it they can actually push the CPU's before they can go no further? 10nm, 7nm?

So much is crammed in their CPU's as they reduce everything, heat output goes up, so clocks get slower as would naturally need be the case. I know customers are driving everything smaller, but there has to come a time where Intel says "Enough is enough, we really need to make these CPU's on a bigger platform base" and honestly I think it's past due that they do...at least a bigger surface IHS area will give better heat dissipation, no?


When mobile/cell phones came out, they were massive. Customer demand pushed them smaller and smaller and then smart phones came out and BOOM!!! customer demand pushed them to bigger sizes, pretty close to how phones were when they first came out to begin with.....it's high time CPU mfrs followed suit for better performance and cooling capability OOTB.


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Post #10 by Hivizman » Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:57 pm

It is quite interesting to read the views of our members. What is very clear is the perspective that all of us use to engage with the new processors is that of high end users who want to push the performance boundaries as far as we can. Every new iteration needs to be better and offer huge amounts of additional performance overhead by virtue of over-clocking. Clearly that is not the perspective that Intel has briefed their design teams to follow.

Mobile computing and OEM computing are the bread and butter markets. The more stuff you have on the CPU, power controller, VGA, memory controller and more the better. Simplify the motherboard design process, reduce the work (= heat) that motherboards need to do and you have a winner. Sure OCing will suffer but at less than 1% of the global market OCing is not significant at all.

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Post #11 by Arne Saknussemm » Thu Mar 12, 2015 10:42 am

Hivizman wrote:Enjoy OCing while you can


Yes, this seems to be the case...performance going up due to more cores is not OC performance. Soon computing will be in the cloud and you'll only need a weak, power efficient silicon interface to access the cloud and maybe some GPU grunt to drive display unless this is handled off-world too and bandwidth to the cloud is all you need...

You'll have a tablet device that drives multiple display devices on the move or at home connected to the cloud and the only thing to OC will be your wifi connection... :|

My OC career went 775, X58, X79 SBE, X79 IBE, X99HSWLE...the clock speed/OC-margin/fun graph went up to SBE and has gone down from there....despite absolute performance rising

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Post #12 by sandro c » Sat Mar 14, 2015 2:51 pm

Hi forum people, Arne Hello, hello Hivizman, :P

for my part, until will not arrive a CPU i7-XXXX- DDRX, a Rampage X Extr, until I will ensure the performance with minimum "double GFlops" of my old RIVE-i73930K-Corsair-GT2133, my Raid0 Samsung ..... not spend more than a dollar on any new Platform X-XX!
I can not say the same thing regarding my old HD6970, now surpassed more than two times by the new GPUs ... but to play Sniper Elite3, just yet sufficiently!
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Post #13 by Arne Saknussemm » Sat Mar 14, 2015 5:01 pm

Hello sandro c!

I Goggled gigga floppy and saw this!

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Surely Broadwell and Skylake will outperfom this

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Post #14 by sandro c » Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:04 pm

Hi Arne
Who will live will see '.. we hope to do it, it will not need 12 cores or more! ;)
However, my video card provides a result greater than this ... but I think at the cost of a higher consumption of energy..e with an annoying fan noise!
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Post #15 by huddy » Tue Jul 07, 2015 3:41 pm

Are there any firm Broadwell dates yet?

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Post #16 by Gregster » Tue Jul 07, 2015 10:00 pm

August apparently.
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Post #17 by borandi » Tue Jul 07, 2015 10:35 pm

Broadwell? http://anandtech.com/show/9320/intel-br ... c-i5-5675c - not sure when it'll hit retail (if it will)
Skylake, well ask a crystal ball tbh. But we saw Z170 boards at Computex, which means it isn't far away.

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Post #18 by oldestgregg » Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:55 pm

Frenzic wrote:Skylake-k 3rd quarter of this year or maybe 1st quarter of 2016.


This is what I'd read also. The "k" series skylake will be the second batch at the back end of the year and I sure hope so as I wont be buying any Intel chips that dont have that magical letter at the end!
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Post #19 by Hivizman » Tue Jul 14, 2015 1:18 pm

One should not always believe what one reads...

But they may be right or not :twisted:
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Post #20 by whyscotty » Tue Jul 14, 2015 3:45 pm

I thought the K series released on Aug 5th?
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whyscotty wrote:I thought the K series released on Aug 5th?



Indeed it should - hence what I said. There are K CPUs around with the large retailers.
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Post #22 by whyscotty » Tue Jul 14, 2015 4:35 pm

Hivizman wrote:

Indeed it should - hence what I said. There are K CPUs around with the large retailers.


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Post #23 by oldestgregg » Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:07 pm

Hivizman wrote:

Indeed it should - hence what I said. There are K CPUs around with the large retailers.


It was ages ago I heard about it on a podcast but Im sure they said even the first lot of "k" series chips were not aimed at overclockers its the next lot of K chips after that? As I said though it was ages ago and Im sure someone knows more than me as per usual :D
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Post #24 by Hivizman » Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:09 pm

Nah mate you post away my response was not aimed at any one on this forum.

There are heaps of so called insiders that know sh t the proof is in the inventory as they say. :D :twisted:
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Post #25 by oldestgregg » Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:32 pm

Very true. Will you be picking one up?

Im a bit miffed as I expected to upgrade from a 4770k to skylake and ddr4 but now I might go x99
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